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NPR Talk of the Nation has an excellent interview with the guy (Kaj Larsen) receiving the waterboarding in the video. Click here to read more about his experience and listen to the interview.

Despite Geneva Convention rules that outlaw waterboarding, the overwhelming evidence that it IS torture, and his refusal to answer basic, simple questions in his Senate Judiciary Committee confirmation hearings about the legality of waterboarding, President Bush continues to endorse former federal judge Michael B. Mukasey for the position of Attorney General of the U.S.A.

Below is a video of this torture in action. Watch for yourself and decide, is this acceptable treatment of a human being, no matter who they are?

Please leave your comments and pass this link on to a friend.

Christopher Hitchens Waterboarding – Vanity Fair


November 5, 2007 - Posted by | Current Events, Iraq, Military & War, News, Politics, Random


  1. Waterboarding should when ever on who ever needed. The security of the US is the most important thing here. They do not believe in human rights by beheading our troops or contract workers so waterboarding is humae compared to that.

    Comment by Rodney Wolfe | January 13, 2008 | Reply

  2. You’re right Rodney, let’s just forget The Constitution and the Eighth Amendment, and Habeas Corpus. Hell, if we aren’t doing it on American soil, it’s not technically illegal, is it? We all know that two wrongs make a right. If torturing people helps you sleep at night, then by all means let’s continue this practice despite what the rest of humanity agrees upon.

    Learn how to form a sentence and then spew your ignorant comments about how this is “humane”. Until then, you should probably stay off the internet. You might hurt yourself.

    Comment by Charlie | January 19, 2008 | Reply

  3. Excuse me Charlie, have YOU SEEN the beheading videos at ALL? I have. This waterboarding shit is the weakest form of torture I have ever seen. This is a luxury to the tortured!
    No one will talk with this technique! Put yourself into Eugene Armstrong’s shoes for a minute, and use the entirety of your imagination, and THEN TELL ME what you think is TRULY humane! And to quote you “stay off the internet. YOU MIGHT HURT YOURSELF”.

    Comment by Rick Marvin | February 6, 2008 | Reply

  4. This looks like a frat party initiation…

    Comment by George Kowalski | February 6, 2008 | Reply

  5. Charlie,
    I was reading your comments addressed to Rodney. It is not Rodney who is sleeping good because of waterboarding, it is you. Never say never, never say always. But I can ALWAYS tell when someone like you express’s their opinon.
    Those opinons always come from someone who has never been in the military, never been in battle and who probably never even been in a fight of any kind for any reason, probably not even High School sports.
    You can sit back and express what I am sure you feel is an intellectural, educated response. For some reason really true Americans find it necessary that you have that right. I believe that has something to do with the Constitution you mention and have surely intellectualized over with your pumpous friends.
    Well, you don’t have to worry. You can roll over and take it in the r–r rather then defend your defenders, who by the way have been dying face down in the dirt for you. Thankfully for you there are enough real American men and women who will protect your life while you sleep. Not on purpose mind you Charlie. You’ll win solely by default as you and yours always have since the beginning of civilization, excess bagage that we must carry. Because, for us to defend our familys and the freedoms we love and would rather, and do, die to perserve we have to defend you also.
    Do you understand Charlie? You can keep being you and pay no price. You can even in all your ignorance excercise the freedoms others have been paying your dues for all these years.——– So write on Charles. But you’ll never be able to hide who you really are. Your a free loader Charlie.
    Oh yeah—- You don’t have to feel it necessary to correct my run on sentences and gramatical and spelling errors. Hell, but then what would you have to do???
    Get some balls Charlie.

    Comment by Richard | February 6, 2008 | Reply

  6. Looks perfectly fine to me. Especially if it saves lives.

    Comment by John | February 8, 2008 | Reply

  7. Making fun of a typos and bad grammar is the most immature, 5th grade, online fight type of an arguement I have ever read. You’re post is typical of a 13 year old arguing against waterboarding with other 13 year olds in a chat room for N’Sync fans. You have to be the most pseudo-intellectual person on the planet.

    ADMIT IT! Despite your pseudo-bohemian appearance and vaguely leftist doctrine of beliefs, you know nothing ABOUT national defense that you couldn’t read in any trendy new york underground fashion magazine…You are a Proto-typical non-conformist. You adhere to a set of standards and tastes that appear to be determined by an unseen panel of liberal judges. You’re the type of person who is constantly giving thumbs up and thumbs down to incoming and outgoing trends within polotics. Go analog baby, you’re so post-modern. You’re diving face forward into an antiquated past, it’s disgusting! It’s offensive! Don’t stick your nose up at me!
    You spend your time sitting in circles with your friends, pontificating to each other, forever competing for that one moment of self aggrandizing glory in which you hog the intellectual spotlight; holding dominion over the entire SHALLOW….POINTLESS…conversation. Oh we’re not worthy. When you converse with a group of quote-unquote normal people you chuckle to yourself, patting yourself on the back as you scoff. It’s the same superority complex shared by the high school jocks who made your life a living hell, and it makes you a slave to the competitive capitalist dogma you spend every moment of your waking life BITCHING about! What do you have to say for yourself?

    You’re free to whine, start internet fights and post ridiculous comments while simultaneously wasting peoples time. It is within your rights as an American citizen to attempt to make your-self appear smarter then you really are. You try to accomplish this incredible feat by pointing out others grammatical mistakes. If being an internet grammar instuctor/bully is what you aspire to be then you are well on your way.

    You know nothing of this topic or of what it means to be a true American. You are a FAKER. You are FRAUD. You don’t impress or intimidate me, cupcake! I’m sure no one else is impressed with your ability to correct grammar either.

    Your envy and obvious isolation from others (as well as reality) has lead you to pick on people who simply post their views online. You do this because you know there is almost no chance of anyone physical confrontation. I doubt you would voice your opinion and criticize people in person. ADMIT IT!

    Btw, can you proof read this for me? I’ve neglected to go back and correct my mistakes. If you could, please list them all in your next post. Thanks-

    Comment by Stooping to Charlie's level | February 11, 2008 | Reply

  8. I am amazed at how ‘humane’ this type of torture is. You want answers? Not getting them? This has to be the way to go. No blood, or heads coming off…just mind tactics to trick the sneaky devil. Lets face it, they are being interrogated for a reason, not for nicking some lollies from the store.
    BTW, I don;t really think this should be about being American eh, just pro-west and pro-freedom.
    I also think the ‘west’ shouldn’t be in the middle east..thats part of their problem, we keeping fucking with them in THEIR own backyards. Leave them be. Give them back Israel. Get out and stay out. Maybe America should play cricket, then we’d all be friends.
    Keep up the waterboarding, as pulling toenails etc is a nasty habit.

    Comment by no finger nail pulling must be good | February 11, 2008 | Reply

  9. We should get rid of waterboarding. Its soooo cruel. we should do what other country’s do and cut off their heads and rip their finger nails out. Cut off their toes and fingers, burn the skin, cut out their eyeballs. That way no one would ever have to indur having water poured on them

    Comment by mark | February 12, 2008 | Reply

  10. Maybe we should try the “Pretty please with sugar on top”approach.Are you kidding?Some of you people wont be happy until a major American city is turned into a big hole in the ground.Lets live in reality and not theory.

    Comment by JJ | February 14, 2008 | Reply

  11. Plain and simple, no, this is not torture

    Comment by Lisa | February 21, 2008 | Reply

  12. Charlie…

    The Constitution does not apply to non-citizens whether done on US soil or not.

    What’s your next argument?

    Comment by Sam | February 24, 2008 | Reply

  13. It really doesn’t look that bad. These terrorists must be a bunch of wimps to talk after getting what amounts to a bath.

    Comment by Kristina | February 29, 2008 | Reply

  14. (your realize this video is a dramatization)

    condoning torture with torture
    condoning murder with murder
    condoning violence with violence
    even jesus would not condone that

    Comment by ss | March 8, 2008 | Reply

  15. Torture is wrong and inhuman irrespective of the victim. You’d argue that if the terrorists behead the US soldiers then the best reaction or pay back would be to behead the terrorists or people who have anything to do with them. But the question is, would any American want to behead someone out there. The thing is a wrong will not correct a wrong; instead, it will only be the eye for an eye that will leave all of us blind. In an ideal world, we’d love to see every man and woman live happily side by side, but in view of the fact that we live in a world infested by criminals whose raw human desire is to see the rest live in problems, jail is somewhat unavoidable. I do believe that there are better ways of dealing with the enemy other than wasting them away in torturous activities. It is wrong for terrorists to expose their victims to destruction; it is equally wrong for America to torture suspects. What if they turn out they are not the real terrorists? If one is a criminal convicted of murder or terror then they should either be detained for life under lifetime manual labour or alternatively they should be brought to a death finality without a torturous progressive journey to their deaths.


    Comment by Chrisogonas Mc'Odhiambo - CoopNET | March 8, 2008 | Reply

  16. People say waterboarding is ok if it saves lives. Well, cutting fingers off would also save lives but I doubt a reasonable person would condone that because the amount of innocent suffering would be enormous. No, “saving lives” per se is not an argument.

    “They decapitate people” is a stupid argument too. You don’t know if the person being interrogated is guilty to start with.

    Besides, how can you even trust a confession obtained by torture? Innocent people would confess just to stop it. So it does not even really save lives necessarily.


    Comment by Rodrigo Braz | March 9, 2008 | Reply

  17. I am surprised how humane this really is. I was undecided on this issue before seeing this(if it is typical of such interrogation). Compare it to burning, drilling, cutting off body parts, this waterboarding is ridiculously humane. If this is going to save American and allied nation lives, then I’m all for it. I think the Geneva Convention, while a great document in it’s intent, it is outdated and was written in an age when the terrorism of today’s world did not exist and the rules were different. There are no rules for the terrorists. They’ll use children and the handicapped as tools for their killing. While we must maintain high standards of decency and humanity to maintain the high moral ground, this video convinces me we should use this technique.

    Comment by Rick in Columbus | March 12, 2008 | Reply

  18. I’m personally much less worried about the technique itself as opposed to the fairly massive body of evidence that concludes that it doesn’t actually work. You just saw a guy get waterboarded for 25 minutes, and said nothing. Or, if it is sufficiently punishing/terrifying to the person being waterboarded, they have been shown to say absolutely anything to make it stop, even if they are told to confess to things that aren’t even true (a control method, like asking someone’s name). So it: A. Doesn’t do anything. B. Gets information that is worthless. C. Makes they interrogators completely evil in the eyes of the people who could actually give them useful information.

    So….what’s the point?

    Comment by Wolf | March 25, 2008 | Reply

  19. I thought that getting your head sawed off or having your feet put into a wood chipper was torture…Water-boarding looks very unpleasant-but I don’t know that it has lasting negative effects (like losing your head or being vaporized in the World Trade Center). If it is useful in saving the lives of others, then I say go for it. Come on you guys! Quit being such wimps and start protecting your women and children, for God’s sake!

    Comment by Linda | March 30, 2008 | Reply

  20. I could not finish seing the video. I am astonished. I am astonished that people look at this and comment saying it’s fine. Some ridicolously compare it to even worse tortures. They are probably sadomasochistic perverts. They should be waterboarded. I don’t think that torture may save a single human life. On the contrary it can raise up many nations against US.

    Comment by Paolo Allegrini | April 23, 2008 | Reply

  21. Look up waterboarding on wikipedia. It inflicts psychological damage on its victims because it produces a physical sensation that is indistinguishable from drowning. People who’ve undergone this procedure have lasting post traumatic stress as a result, and wake up YEARS later with nightmares of the experience.

    John McCain has experienced it, and says it’s torture. The Geneva Convention says it’s torture. It’s torture. Torture is illegal in all UN-bound nations (including the US among many other first-world countries). Just because it looks less inhumane doesn’t make it any less psychologically damaging. And a group of internationally-affiliated governing officials (again, the UN here) has determined that psychological torture is at least as bad as physical torture.

    It’s illegal to rip out fingernails. It’s illegal to drown them, as well.

    Comment by Rach | December 9, 2008 | Reply

  22. I think that this is soooo wrong to human society and that they should abolish it all together!!!!…..

    Comment by Sam Birch | December 9, 2008 | Reply

  23. Torture begets more fanatics. And you don’t get the information you want, only what they think you want to hear, or what they think will buy them some relief.

    Our cops are experts at getting information without torture. Why not our military? Well, actually a lot of them are not meatheads, and they are realising torture does not work.

    There are many examples in Iraq of ‘smart’ interrogation techniques delivering quicker and better information. Soldiers on the ground know that it does not make sense to make new enemies every time you interract with someone. If you don’t belive this, read Matthew Alexander’s excellent book, ‘How to Break a Terrorist’.,2933,460944,00.html

    Furthermore, it demeans America as a nation. By applying torture tactics, we are undermining totally the values that make our nation great.

    Comment by Combover | December 9, 2008 | Reply

  24. Thank you to Rodney, Rick, Richard, John, Lisa, and the rest that realize this type of ‘torture’ is really quite humane. For one thing, torturing of suspected terrorists has a purpose – to get information to save American’s (and others’) lives.

    To the rest who think this is cruel… maybe you should ask the government if you can invite these suspected terrorists to your house, make them a nice meal, let them sleep in the room next to your children, and simple ‘ask’ them nicely if they have any information. Or maybe you should go live in Iraq or Afghanistan, and see how you like it there. The rest of us would really appreciate it.

    BTW, ‘Stooping to Charlie’s level’ – great post!

    Comment by Jason | December 15, 2008 | Reply

  25. First I must say, if the U.S. is going to hold others accountable for torturing their soldiers and civilians, they must lead by example. Most of the blogs I see here seem to support this technique. Maybe, you would also support the techniques the U.S. used against the Native Americans, Chinese immigrants, Hispanics, and Blacks. When you study in college, Universities teach you about the history of the U.S. and you begin to see a pattern. The pattern of deception and trickery. This war is not about an attack on the nation, its more than that. You must begin the journey yourself and seek the truth, no one can do that for you. This technique is similar to what they did against Blacks during slavery and segregation. It should not be practiced as it clearly is a torture technique outlined in the Geneva Convention. Maybe Bush and Cheney should face war crimes, as it is clear that it is.

    Comment by ARMOND | December 17, 2008 | Reply

  26. Honestly I think it’s quite hysterical when people throw around the constitution as if it’s the only document in the world. Charlie – if you were to go to Iraq and commit a crime, they would not uphold the US constitution. You would be tried by the laws governing Iraq, unless you were extradited. Are you important enough that the US would request that you were returned to be tried under OUR laws? I think not. The constitution only applies to citizens while they are in the US. Non-citizens outside the US are not eligible for our protection, ESPECIALLY when they are trying to kill us.

    Water boarding is pretty tame compared to other forms of torture, and I think what people mean when they say there is no lasting damage is that there is no lasting damage that cannot be healed with nothing more than a few sessions with a psychologist. Losing a couple fingers or having your eyes burned out is both physically irreparable AND carries with it the psychological damage some of you are crying over.

    This really isn’t about what is humane for civilized people, because when you live in a civilized world the rules are different. We are not fighting a civilized war in a civilized land. Quite frankly and to be perfectly blunt, we are dealing with animals living like savages in holes in the desert. Granted, they are intelligent animals with access to very dangerous technology, but that does not lessen their savagery by any stretch of the imagination.

    I support this as a form of information gathering. This has far less damaging consequences than other forms, and let’s be realistic: People can confess to things they didn’t commit by having their fingers systematically sliced off just as much as they can when under water boarding torture. Some of you seriously live in a dream world.

    Comment by TerrainFFXI | January 15, 2009 | Reply

  27. Other than hearing and watching the media sensationalize waterboarding as they do everything else, watching this video was the first time I’ve actually seen waterboarding in action.
    Unpleasant? Absolutely! Torture? Absolutely not!
    Are they injuring him? No. Are they causing long-term damage? No. Therefore it is not torture. They are making him very uncomfortable to get information out of him. And continued to do so for almost 30 minutes with several breaks… That’s key. Had they just continually poured water over his face that would also not be torture… that would be drowning… or first-degree murder. Clearly that is not their intent.
    Would I want to experience waterboarding? HELL NO! But I stand by the fact that this is not torture.
    My definition of torture is performing an act on someone that causes temporary or permanent injury to the body or mind.
    Case in point:
    “Tell us what you know or we cut off the first knuckle of your index finger.” If the prisoner does not talk then they cut off the finger at the next nuclei… and so on.
    That is real torture.
    We hear in the news that terrorists are being forced to stand for long hours, being forced to listen to loud music etc. and they have the gull to call that torture. Morons.
    Waterboarding is extraordinarily uncomfortable but it works and causes no long-term physical damage to the prisoner. As soon as he talks the waterboarding stops.

    Comment by Arthur Conley | January 15, 2009 | Reply

  28. Waterboarding is torture. The thing that they are doing in Guantanamo Bay is that they will take someone who is a ‘suspected terrorist’ and out them in jail. no trial. no convictions. no sentence. George Bush has overstepped his boundaries. First, he has taken the right of Habeas Corpus away from the people at Guantanamo Bay. It is in the Amendment that to keep someone is jail, they MUST have a trial whether they are an American citizen or not. Second, he has made waterboarding a legal interrogation technique and considers it ‘not torture’. The act to simulate drowning on an individual who may or may not know something is torture. They are doing it to people who have never had a trial or had any crime charged against them. No evidence that they have any connection to terrorists or if they are one.
    For everyone who does not believe waterboarding is not torture, try it yourself. Have someone tie you down and pour water down your throat.

    Comment by Ryan | January 15, 2009 | Reply

  29. I am embarrassed with some of you guys are saying..this is ok if it saves lives…what? give me a break…it really endangers american lives..because it makes more pple to be terrorists… are u going to believe what this person says…you tortured him…his information is not reliable…i am condoning ppl.cutting hands..etc..i believe this is cruellity..and pple are going through this kind of cruelity day in and day out..It is a horrible..and it is totally..wrong..and…it creates..many terrorists…ok..for example if this guy turned out to be innocent..what do u expect him to be.what?//he will be a terrorist….You made a terrorist with ur own hand….how about his friends who knew he was not involved in anything…would expect them to wait untill they are about his family???? think twice guys…and say NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO to tortureeeeeeee

    Comment by Jesus | January 15, 2009 | Reply

  30. Waterboarding is Torture….and no doubt about it….Just listen to NPR and if you dont your self..and judge…honestly

    Comment by Jesus | January 15, 2009 | Reply

  31. Jesus – you are an idiot. The notion that abuse begets abuse is irresponsible and a total cop out. We have proven time and again that the cycle can be broken. We did not make these people terrorists and the notion that water boarding and torture at the hand of American interrogators created terrorism is delusional.

    Remember – these folks drew first blood here. Or is 911 already removed from our memories? How did American interrogation techniques cause that to happen?

    And yes, NPR is a good radio station (National Public Radio?), but how exactly do their opinions constitute fact? They are no different than any other reporting agency: they report on the news and select “experts” that support the opinion they want to express. You would do well to get your head out of the sand and form your own opinions, rather than just blindly following whatever the radio tells you.

    Comment by TerrainFFXI | January 16, 2009 | Reply

  32. I wonder how many people who have decided that waterboarding is torture lost someone in 9-11? Not many I would wager. I understand the argument that we are the USA and should set the example but, understand something: these people are zealots!! They will stop at nothing! When dealing with a mindset such as this you need to be harsh and vigilant. They don’t think the same way that we do! You have to realise this if you are to reconcile this in your own minds. It doesn’t matter what the press says. They are a bunch of liberal jerks who think they know better than the rest of us simply because they have a college degree and have travelled extesively. I’am not one to talk negatively about anyone but, I have to say that the press is really doing a number on the American people. I served 5 years in the Marines. Travelled some. Seen some. I guarantee you, the press does not care one iota about the American people. President Bush is a Patriot! He is not slick, well spoken, pollished and placating. He is a LEADER!
    Yes, he has made some mistakes. Put yourself in his shoes! Could YOU have done better? No, I think not and neither could these jerks who criticize him!! At least he had the Balls to be our president and make the hard decisions! To the press I say, sit down and shut up. To the American people I say Stand as a Great Man leaves the office of President of the United States of America!

    Comment by Mike | January 16, 2009 | Reply

  33. As an outside observer I have one three part question, open to anyone with facts, which predates the questions of whether waterboarding and beheading are justified. My humbly presented question is: a) What specifically is at the root and is currently fueling the distrust, hatred and conflict existing between the Western and Islamic worlds b) Who is profitting financially c) Does the original catalyst still exists?

    Please educated me or don’t, your choice.

    Comment by Third World Observer | January 22, 2009 | Reply

  34. My only hope is that if we don’t use waterboarding that we have some other effective way of getting details from those captured. We could keep them all day long in a cell and they will never tell us about a plot to blow up a bridge, building, airplane, etc… Heck, why would they? They hate us, keeping them locked up only makes them hate us more. On the other hand, a little waterboarding and the information falls from their lips rather quickly, saving many lives. I think I’ll take the latter. The people that disagree, well, that’s your right. Congratulations, you live in a free country and get to have an opinion. I wonder how that happened???

    Comment by John | January 22, 2009 | Reply

  35. By the way, those that disagree probably have never been affected by a terrorist attack personally.

    Also, those receiving this waterboarding are not usually volunteers like this reporter. They tend to be really bad guys. American soldiers do not just detain average joe’s and treat them to waterboarding like a slice of pizza.

    Comment by John | January 22, 2009 | Reply

  36. There is no coincidence that there has not been another attack on the scale of 9/11 since the US stepped up intelligence and doing whatever it takes to protect this country. The new regime is setting us up for disaster–and while there may be people in the world who like us more—I’ll trade that for safety here and peace of mind. Those that don’t mind the attacks—go live in Northern Mexico for a while.

    Comment by Tim | January 24, 2009 | Reply

  37. I hate to disagree with what seems to be the prevailing view in these posts, but waterboarding is, indeed torture. Certainly, it seems more mild than other forms of torture which inflict physical pain; but it is torture, nonetheless.
    Having said that, I can’t say that I necessarily oppose its use (or the use of other forms of torture), IF(!!!) the objective of the torture is to acquire information to prevent or defend against a specific attack.
    The use of torture for as punishment for acts that the prisoner has (or is believed to have) committed erodes one of the basic foundations of our civilization that make US distinct from THEM. Such torture is simply retribution and should be beneath us.
    I would also advocate against the use of torture in securing confessions, as the results are highly unreliable. Obviously, this can lead to a scenario wherein someone strongly suspected of committing a crime could go free, due to a lack of sufficient physical evidence. And (as we have seen happen in recent practice), this criminal or terrorist (a terrorist is a crminial, actually, so that’s kind of redundant. I apologize.)may go on to committ another crime. That, unfortunately is the price of a society in which we strive to protect its citizens from being punished for crimes they did not commit.
    As for the application of torture to non-citizens, I would make the same distinction. If the failure to secure a confession means that an enemy combatant returns to the field of battle, then perhaps we should consider more expeditious proceedures for processing these types of prisoners in the first place.

    Comment by SonofaVet | April 21, 2009 | Reply

  38. It doesn’t look bad when you’re sitting in front of a computer. But I’m sure its no fun to think you’re constantly drowning. I’m not going to say that this should be outlawed, but strict scrutiny should be applied to who and why and to what purpose it is used. Otherwise you’ll force confessions out of people for things the didn’t do (I’m not saying they’re innocent, just that everybody cracks eventually).

    Comment by C Dub | May 2, 2009 | Reply

  39. Frankly, I think that they left out one important thing…
    BLEACH!!! They should have used it!!!! Assholes,…
    If you can still think of these bearded, turban wearing
    illiterates as human beings, then maybe you should endure the punishment as they do!!! They will come into our country and kill our people, this is their mantra!! I only ask of you , what about the families of the victims????
    It seems that we forget about them!!!!
    I for one…. WILL NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Comment by beastoftartarus | May 10, 2009 | Reply

  40. Ohh….It was nice loosing my contact with this website for over an hour. I must say, with total sarcasm intended…
    Mr. Barack Obama…you rule!!!!! You are a Godsend, knowing what is best for the entire world. What did your search teams find???? Not a threat to the people that live in this country???? Only one that will defend it to their dyng breath.. If you do not see it that way, ….That is is your problem

    Comment by beastoftartarus | May 10, 2009 | Reply

  41. Remeber, Jackass… They elected you!!!! And WE do not negotiate with terrorists!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Comment by beastoftartarus | May 10, 2009 | Reply

  42. I thought you tortured the guy you knew had the clues?? come on people logic is universal and so is the truth.

    Comment by scott | May 16, 2009 | Reply

  43. comparing beheading doesnt make any sense considering its not torture it murder

    Comment by kristalovessteff | May 28, 2009 | Reply

  44. and id like to know the success rate

    Comment by kristalovessteff | May 28, 2009 | Reply

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  46. Someone said that torture is OK if used against uncivilized people. Needless to say that we are talking about one of the most civilized places in the world, with thousands years of history, and in fact where justice and right were born.

    Comment by Paolo Allegrini | December 2, 2009 | Reply

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